Originally Posted by hooperr im just trying to limit the amount of animal based protein to be easier on my body

also ive been reading more deeply into some things about milk based protein powders(whey, casein, etc) that im not really liking.. things about whey being waste from milk made into a product (pretty much)

Whey is a by product due to the process of making cheese. It’s what naturally filters out in the cheese making process. They don’t intentionally filter it out but the process naturally does this. Due to the amount of cheese which is produced, the dairy companies ended up with a LOT of whey which they understood is completely usable but they just didn’t have much use for it. After research has shown that whey is the best source of the AA that our bodies require to maintain skeletal tissue, they started using it as a protein supplement (because it was a byproduct of cheese making, it’s relatively cheap compared to say, casein, casein requires them to take actual milk and filter the casein out since milk is predominantly casein).

If you are thinking that animal based proteins are harsh on the body, you could not be further from the truth. Animal proteins are the MOST bioavailable proteins available. Due to how bioavailable they are, they are actually the EASIEST for you body to break down and absorb. If we are talking about meat, you just have to be mindful of what type of meat you consume, fatty red meat is not bad for you due to the protein but instead, due the the high fat content (not all fats are bad for you, but the fat from red meat are indeed hard to break down and inflammatory thus artery clogging). Plant based proteins are actually harsher on your body especially if you are talking about natural (non-supplementation, straight up eating plant based food sources). This is due to the cellulose and fiber they often contain. Our bodies are not designed to digest plants easily so unless we cook things pretty thoroughly, ferment them, powder them, or juice them (all of which when you think about it, is far more unnatural than say, drinking milk or eating eggs), our bodies basically can’t absorb the majority of the nutrients since the fiber will just cause us to poop it all out mostly undigested.

Lastly, it’s kind of hard to find pro-animal product blogs or news articles due to it being trendier and cooler to have a vegetarian/vegan slant. If you dig into these vegetarian/vegan arguments a little deeper, you would undoubtedly come to realize that their arguments for health benefits and the “science” is a whole lot of correlation rather than causation. At the end of the day you will notice that they ultimately fall back to choosing to abstain from animal products almost entirely due to their moral/ethical stances on animal rights (but I would like to see them explain animal rights to let’s say an angry panda, hungry cheetah, hungry lion, etc. in the wild, I’m pretty sure they will be decimated long before they get a word in, or heck, let’s see them explain it to a wild boar or a wild bull).

With all that said and done, let me point out the following to shine some light on how nonsensical the anti-animal products and animal products are bad for you argument is:

1) It’s well understood that vegans are malnutritioned. In 2011, a British mother allowed her baby to die after 11 months due to her exclusively feeding her baby her own breast milk even though she was and has been on an exclusively vegan diet. Somehow she figured (as with many vegans) that her vegan diet would provide all the nutrients the body needs (obviously not as could be seen from the outcome).

2) Vegans like to push vegan alternatives to important animal based nutrients such as calcium, vitamin A, vitamin K, and omega-3. They look at and promote foods like kale as super foods due to this reason. Let’s look at kale: they love kale because it is high in calcium, beta carotene, and vitamin K. The problem with this is that the calcium is very much inferior to calcium from milk, beta carotene is actually not a substitute for vitamin A and actually has no known anti-cancer benefits, and the vitamin K is K1 which we don’t need much of (instead, we need more of the K2 from mostly animal products). Flax is another thing that they like to push due to the omega-3 content, but flax a) doesn’t really digest unless we grind them to powder (and honestly, why would you want to put something that naturally is practically impossible for you to digest into you body? that’s as harsh for you body as could be) and b) it contains ALA as the omega-3 source whilst our bodies actually need EPA/DHA which mostly comes from fish.

So yeah, can you tell me what is harsher on the body, lean meats like chicken (which has NOT been shown to cause any health issues, heck, replacing red meat with chicken has shown to be more effective at reducing cardiovascular disease than replacing red meat with vegetables in one study) or plants which our body are naturally not really capable of digesting (why do you think plant based foods are so high in fiber? our bodies can not break down that fiber, if we were meant to live off of mostly plants, we would be able to chomp on grass and hay, but we can’t now, can we?)?

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